aerosucre
as a freighter, it served with kitty hawk air cargo, midamerican aerospace, before going to aerosucre in 2008. aerosucre is also listed as the aircraft’s manager .
media reports from colombia indicate that a boeing 727 - 200 freighter operated by aerosucre has crashed .
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takeoff boeing 727 - 200 aerosucre skpc
on
just over ten years ago, in november 2006, another aerosucre 727f crashed after taking from bogota, killing all five on - board .
the aircraft involved was delivered to air jamaica in 1975 and served with the airline for 22 years before being converted into a freighter. it went on to serve with various us cargo carriers before joining aerosucre’s fleet in 2008. another aerosucre 727 freighter crashed in bogota in 2006 after hitting a tv tower while on approach to land in bad weather, killing six onboard .
an aerosucre colombia boeing 737 - 200, registration hk - 4253 performing a freight flight from bogota to puerto inirida (colombia), rejected takeoff from bogota' s runway 13l after a nose wheel tyre ...
an aerosucre boeing 737 - 200, registration hk - 5026 performing a freight flight from bogota to puerto carreno (colombia), was accelerating for takeoff from bogota' s runway 13l at about 14: 34l (1934z) ...
on february 12, 2011, an aerosucre boeing 727 carrying cargo from yopal to mitu had an hydraulic failure while flying over bogota. the plane landed safely at el dorado international airport in bogota, and no one was injured. [ 2 ]
aerosucre boeing 727 - 200 freighter was preforming a cargo flight from puerto carreno to bogota (colombia). the plane had overrun the runway but managed to get airborne. shortly after getting airborne it crashed. . it was all caught on camera! !
an aerosucre boeing 727 - 200, freight flight from yopal to mitu (colombia), was enroute near bogota (colombia) when the crew reported a hydraulic failure and decided to divert to bogota. the airplane landed safely on bogota' s runway 13r .
sbog 14. 08. 08 in full col aerosucre sis 03. 10 s08. 10 special' 40 anos' tail titles, crashed 20. 12. 16 at puerto carreno, overran runway, became airborne but failed to gain height, 5 of 6 dead
we will have to wait and see exactly what caused this crash. maybe there was a systemic pattern of pushing the envelope when it comes to safety at aerosucre, or maybe a technical issue struck the plane at the worst possible time. it could have been a mixture of the two, or something different altogether. at least with so much quality video evidence, investigators might have an easier time getting to the bottom of this tragedy .
it’s is not clear why so many cameras were pointing at the jet during its departure. flightaware only shows embraer 170 regional jets as frequenting the airport’s relatively short 5, 900 foot asphalt strip, but there are videos of other aircraft stopping there, including larger 737s and 727s. in fact, one video taken back in october shows what is likely the exact same jet (aerosucre is thought to have only one operational 727) nearly suffering the same fate as yesterday’s doomed flight .
an aerosucre colombia boeing 727 - 200, registration hk - 4544 performing a freight flight from puerto carreno to bogota (colombia) with 6 crew, did not become airborne while taking off from puerto carrena' s runway 25 at 17: 20 l (23: 20 z), broke through the airport perimeter fences, became airborne, lost height again about 3 minutes later, impacted ground about 5nm from the airport and burst into flames. two persons were rescued alive, four persons died on scene, one of the initial survivors succumbed to the injuries in hospital .
an aerosucre colombia boeing 727 - 200, registration hk - 4544 performing a freight flight from puerto carreno to bogota (colombia) with 6 crew, did not become airborne while taking off from puerto carrena' s runway 25 at 17: 18l (22: 18z), broke through the airport perimeter fences, became airborne, lost height again about 3 minutes later, impacted ground about 5nm from the airport and burst into flames. two persons were rescued alive, four persons died on scene, one of the initial survivors succumbed to the injuries in hospital. the other survivor is reported in stable condition on dec 21st 2016 .
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colombia' s civil aviation authority aerocivil reported the aircraft crashed three minutes after takeoff from puerto carreno. 5 occupants were killed, one occupant survived correcting earlier reports of 4 fatalities and 1 survivor .
reporting that at the time of the departure the aerodrome was not controlled. two aircraft departed the aerodrome prior to the boeing 727 using runway 07 for departure .
according to flight data and cockpit voice recorder the crew remained unaware of the last metar, which for 22: 00z read :
01008kt 9999 few020 sct200 31 / 32 a / / /
. the crew was backtracking the runway for departure from runway 25, completed their checklists prior to the 180 degrees turn, following the 180 degrees turn the aircraft came to a stop slightly off the runway heading (this was later corrected during the takeoff run). the crew determined their v1 = vr = 127 kias, v2 was 141 kias, the epr for takeoff was set to 2. 12 (left and right engine, jt8d) and 2. 11 (tail mounted engine) .
the captain (58, atpl, 8, 708 hours total, 6, 822 hours on type) was assisted by a first officer (39, cpl, 3, 285 hours total, 3, 285 hours on type) .
the griaa reported that the load manifest was not found within the wreckage of the aircraft nor was a copy found in the airport office. the investigation assumes that the aircraft departed with 9 pallets weighing a total of 19, 820 lbs .
@ jose aparicio my source went missing, sorry - - the wikiquote site, which is great .
i never said half th s * * t people say i did
( albert eistein) .
for pentti virtanen, regarding the phrase attributed to einstein (human stupidity) i did some research and it seems to be a modified version of a quote from immanuel kant' s critique of practical reason :
two things fill the mind with ever - increasing wonder and awe, the more often and the more intensely the mind of thought is drawn to them: the starry heavens above me and moral law within me .
but frankly i prefer my original version or the one that you quoted in french (who was the author anyway). whatever, the pilots who crashed this 727 proved to be stupid beyond belief .
quote ah, penny just dropped - started life as the engineer and converted unquote like many others. it all has to do with propper selection and training. i don' t have any problem with ex fe or military guys .
well observed and, as we now know, your deduction was correct! i also noticed at the time, but failed to make the connection .
@ srboljub savic the fence alone probably was of no consequence to the plane, but the hitting the
military structure
mentioned was too much for the wing. if i' m not mistaken, it was made of stone or concrete, as those defensive structures usually are .
@ jose aparicio
citing einstein again :
there are two things that are infinite: the universe and human stupidity
.
this is one of the numerous quotes falsely attributed to einstein. einstein might have said it as well, but its literary history traces back to the year 1880 as :
aujourd' hui je sais qu' il n' y a pas de limites ŕ la bętise humaine, qu' elle est infinie
no, it' s not only you, griaa have changed the link to the document. now updated in our coverage, too, it should work again .
i just jump - seated in a colombian aircraft. those drivers were skilled, disciplined and professional. it was a pleasure to watch. that is what you wanted to say, patrick ?
if everything presented here is true like
epr
this was a packs off t / o for increased performance. the crew probably knew it was heavy, taking off with a tailwind did not help and since when does a airline fail to leave a copy of the load sheet behind? lot of questions, little answers. very sad ending .
someone else recommended to look this search up on a popular video site - wow - if that' s standard takeoff operations (no crash) then each takeoff was high risk one .
the rwy lenght of skfc is 1800m, boeing 722 needs 2600m at mtow. i wonder how easyly this plane could be overloaded. . whats 1800m? maybe about half of mtow ?
if a similar belly dragging take off of the very same 727 was filmed back in oct. 2016 at this airport and that not one but two cameras recorded the same 727 doing the same stunt on the fatal day you may wonder if this was done rather regularly and the locals knew it. the question is: did they always took off way overweight or worse off the pilots did that for their excitement. either way another case for citing einstein again :
there are two things that are infinite: the universe and human stupidity
.
flame in the exhaust indicate a loss of efficiency in the gas path due to, in this case, potential ingestion causing or not damage and leading or not to internal failure. it means that engine did not'' flame out'' but rather loss partial or full thrust in short time, otherwise if fail you would also see smoke from the tail pipe. it is then not possible to say if that engine have recovered or not as cannot be seen on current video if operating after t / o. by the way, flame out means engine spool down until shut down due to lack of combustion .
i read somewhere that the surviving crew member died in hospital too. is this true ?
according to the following video on it looks that they normally took off at the very end of the runway (overweight? ?). this time the a / c was too low and hit the fence and trees, damaging wing, engine... . .
looking at the video frame by frame taked from the left side of the plane, once the aircraft passed the far fence it is very clear that the right engine flamed out with fire .
you can hear the plane coming from far. perhaps the plane was taking - off with wind in the back ...
especially in this business and more in investigation, engineers make hypothesis, collect data and evidence, analyse the finding and corroborate the result to make a comprehensive conclusion... . in our dictionary...'' explode and disintegrate'' do not match with jet engine behavior, may be uncontained failure is more appropriate as well as'' seems to me and strange'' pertain rather to people who do not understand basic... engineer? ?? ?
by srboljub savic, dipl. ing. on tuesday, dec 27th 2016 22: 29z
s. s. - me, knows very well where are installed b727 engines. when turbine disintegrate - explodes, fragments released, go many even
strange
ways + there are
ricochets
. most important, inboard flap, ripped of, most probably by hitting fence column, it is not key issue. weight & balance, seems to me, is area where lies answer, why it happen. there are number of example of crash, caused by neglecting or pilots, being not aware of their a / c c. g. position. last one (most probably) is russian tu 154, ending in sea, only ~ 1, 5 km from shore (and bit more from runway end) s. savic
maybe this srboljub savic is smarter than we think. write some gibberish and people start internet searching for your name. any publicity is better than none .
i don' t know who this
srboljub savic, dipl. ing
is? but the b727 does not have engines on the wings! !! all three engines are on the rear fuselage and in the tail cone. as a pilot with 4, 000 + hours in the b727 cargo configuration. i would say that they were way over gross weight. and the right flap was most likely damaged and dislodged from the aircraft as a result of striking the several fences and small trees !
'' engine' s turbine failure - explosion, resulting inboard flap torn'' do you have a single idea where the engines are located on this a / c... needless to ask you where is the turbine on an engine and in which direction it is axially loaded. .
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colombian investigators have determined that the crew of a boeing 727 - 200 freighter departed in a tailwind before the aircraft overran and struck a perimeter fence, briefly becoming airborne before crashing in a field .
the inquiry into the 20 december accident at puerto carreno states that the crew was apparently “unaware” of information regarding the direction and strength of the wind .
colombian accident investigation authority griaa says preliminary information shows two aircraft – an embraer 170 and a cessna 208 – took off from runway 07 shortly before the 727 was due to depart .
these two aircraft had taken into account the prevailing wind at the airport, it says. meteorological data showed the wind from 10° at 8kt, which would have favoured a take - off from 07 .
but griaa says cockpit - voice recorder information shows the 727 headed instead to the threshold of the opposite - direction runway 25. it points out that puerto carreno was operating as an uncontrolled airport from 15: 00, and the 727 departed at around 17: 20 .
flight - data recorder information indicates that the trijet was configured with 30° take - off flaps. the inquiry associates this setting with a modification known as the ‘quiet wing’ which was developed for the 727 in order to reduce noise .
the ‘quiet wing’ system is designed to increase take - off performance through modifications including a flap and aileron droop, to increase lift and thereby cut perceived noise on the ground .
griaa adds that the 727’s configuration also included 6. 5 units of elevator trim .
the inquiry says the evidence suggests the crew was not aware of the wind situation. departing from runway 25 under the recorded wind conditions would have resulted in a 4kt tailwind component rather than a 4kt headwind .
griaa says the air temperature was 31c. the airport has an elevation of 54m and a runway length of 1, 800m .
all three engines were functioning during the take - off roll. the investigators state that the aircraft’s v1 and rotation speeds were 127kt .
evidence from video images of the ill - fated departure show the aircraft overran and hit a perimeter fence – tearing out a 13m - wide section – before striking a small military structure and a tree, which sheared off the right main landing - gear and the starboard inboard flap .
cockpit - voice recorder information shows the crew determined that the starboard engine had lost thrust and there was a loss hydraulic fluid following the impact .
the 727 managed to climb to 790ft but entered a slow turn to the right, with its bank angle gradually increasing to 60°. it remained airborne for around 2min but its airspeed bled away, the resulting loss of lift caused the aircraft to lose height, and it struck the ground about 4nm from the threshold of runway 07 .
griaa says ground - proximity alerts and stall warnings had been sounding in the cockpit, and the crew was carrying out a fuel - jettison procedure .
the jet struck the ground at a large angle of bank, it states, with high horizontal speed but relatively shallow pitch .
one of the six occupants of the freighter survived the crash. the cockpit and empennage were among the main components to emerge from the debris field .
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this plane could cross the atlantic in 3. 5 hours. why did it fail ?
weather conditions at puerto carreño airport around the time of the crash included scattered clouds, winds out of the east at eight knots, and 87 degrees. the jet may have been taking off with a tailwind and elevated ambient temperatures affect an aircraft’s takeoff performance. dramatic videos showing different angles of the mishap surfaced just hours after the crash :
it seems the jet was operating at the extreme edge of its envelope—or beyond it, in the case of yesterday’s crash. with no margin for contingencies, even small non - technical issues such as changing atmospheric conditions or minor miscalculations in weight and balance and air density could prove deadly during a short - field departure .
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asn aircraft accident boeing 727 - 2j0 (f) adv. hk - 4544 puerto carreño - germán olano airport (pcr )
this map shows the airport of departure and the intended destination of the flight. the line between the airports does
distance from puerto carreño - germán olano airport to bogotá - eldorado airport as the crow flies is 751 km (469 miles) .
this information is not presented as the flight safety foundation or the aviation safety network’s opinion as to the cause of the accident. it is preliminary and is based on the facts as they are known at this time .
airplane hk - 4544. departing from el dorado. source: forum contato radar - brazil
very tragic video of the 727 overrunning the runway shortly before it broke apart. urltoken... 9995888640
very sad... god knows why they didn' t abort the takeoff .
acccording to el tiempo news from colombia, it was a cargo aircraft. two confirmed fatalities, two injuries, and one missing. main cargo was fish. aircraft was destined for bog .
the transponder 1200 group on facebook has a video of the ill fated takeoff. i' d link it on here but have to get back to work .
i' m trying to understand what we' re seeing here. in the first video it overruns the runway, in the second it is airborne and manoeuvring at low level before appearing to lose control and strike the ground. it' s hard to tell if the videos are from the same location or not. am i right in concluding it has become airborne beyond the end of the runway, attempted to turn back, and struck the ground during the process ?
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first video something definitely sounds bad well before it rotates. the dialog of the people makes me believe it is the same point of view on both videos as they refer to the plane it' s coming back .
it seems to be the same cammer... probably a helmet cam from the movement. i agree something sounds off... though that may also be a bad quality mic ?
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first video: clearly hits fences but the 727 was airborne already (wheels off the ground) .
it seems that the plane gained altitude but was pretty damaged and crashed while attempting to circle back to the airport .
puerto carreño have a 1800m long runway (5906 ft) and 173ft of elevation .
i wonder when people will understand: embraer 190 or simply e190, not erj - 190. e - jets are not erjs! boeing 747 - 8, not boeing 747 - 800. same goes for 787. airbus a320, not airbus 320. airbii does not exist .
looks like it struggled to get off the ground there on a good day. maybe they loaded a couple too many tonnes of freight for the runway length
coming back to the topic, i got 3 posibilities: 1) wrong load distribution (heavy nose). 2) overweight. 3) wrong flap take off setup. 4) engine failure during take off run. the fourth i' m skeptical because isn' t visible any smoke from the engines or strange sounds from them .
wonder if fod damaged the engines and further made the situation even more dire? overweight maybe? common practice i hope not. the video of the
successful
take off is obviously not within legal safety margins. rip !
wow, just wow. there are people in that video even closer than the photographer. scary stuff .
was thinking the same thing about the engines ingesting objects. but looking at this one, it doesn' t appear he hit the fence, only missing the camera man and another guy by a few feet .
is it me or does the plane look like they were trying to dump fuel? hard to tell .
last edited by twa302 on wed dec 21, 2016 4: 27 am, edited 1 time in total .
truly tragic and so sad. it' s been a dreadful week for news so far. here' s a full translation by hand and brain, rather than google translate :
they could have made it if they stayed wings level until they gained enough altitude, speed. banking the aircraft in an attempt to go back to the airport was the fatal mistake that sealed their fate. amazing that the survivor in the video could be in one piece after that .
terrible news. so much talk about old 727s this week on urltoken and then we lose one. this was an air jamaica bird originally - delivered in august of 1975 as a 727 - 2jo (a). as to the questions above about something not sounding right, it sounded like a normal jt8d takeoff to me. but something was obviously very wrong with the takeoff, and i have to wonder about damage to the frame or engines during the very late rotation. my first flight was on a 727. nw msp - atl in the fall of 1982 .
look at the little structure at 10 seconds on the right of the plane. it definitely seems like the wing struck that little structure, which might explain the bank angle in the final few seconds of the flight. i' m trying not to speculate here, but i bet the accident was due to a combination of hitting that little structure with some engines going out .
ok, my
armchair quaterback
view on this. the engines appeared to sound normal for a 722 doing a restricted take off. while i have always admired this airline, they have a reputation of operating
on the edge
. previous videos prove that they are doing operations where there is minimal margin for error, including take offs from the same airport, where the 722 crashed. were the pilots
show boating
for people at the end of the runway and they pushed it a bit too far? were they doing an operation where their safety margin was zero, for the flight they were operating? while it is easy to blame the old 722, perhaps one of the above scenarios was the real cause .
well, damn. when you' re lifting an overloaded 727 off a short runway with barely inches to the fence, eventually something bad is going to happen .
sh... ., why did they decide to fly with such a large bank angle... not an expert, of course, but the terrain is rather flat, if they would have flown a not so agressive turn they might have made it back to the airport... .
excellent observation, you can even see a flash after they impact the structure. i guess this will be another case of gross negligence. i guess it is time to check what is going on with the south american airlines and its regulators .
in one of the videos you can see the no. 3 engine surging, presumably as it eats debris from the wing clipping a structure and maybe even some fencing. i doubt that engine was producing any useful thrust after that. then in the longer video you see the plane banking into the dead engine. big no no. this outfit has been known to fly over the mot. if that is true in this case also, then they were flying on just 2 engines on a hot day, flying a steep bank into a dead engine at low level while possibly being too heavy. dayum .
that should have some warning message in your post since the man wearing the gopro runs up to the wreckage and you can see at least one survivor. it is not just a video of an aircraft crashing from far away. rip to those that lost their life .
a few thoughts; 1. he came very close to the spotters. 2. this meant that people were on hand to assist the first responders in identifying exactly where the injured man was. 3. if the spotters were not there, and he had been able to hit brakes / thrust reversers, and use the fence as an additional' brake', would the crew have survived .
and the nonsense is showing up, it was only a matter of time .
fly a a350 / b787 at zero feet and the outcome would be the same .
looking at all the videos of previous take - offs with this aircraft and the fatal one, is it possible that the company skimped on mro expenditure and hence the engines were way past their due (engine) shop date? if so, they just wouldn' t produce the relevant thrust needed for fully - laden take offs, even if cockpit clocks wld show relevant rpms... thoughts ?
looking at the previous videos and the amount of onlookers watching yesterday, it would seem that the departure of this aircraft was a regular source of entertainment for the locals. it nearly cost a lot of innocent people their lives. after recent tragedies, someone needs to take a long hard look at aviation safety in colombia. regardless of the cause of this accident, experienced airmen will have known that operating this way was highly risky. the same as filing a flight plan without sufficient reserve fuel. who knows, perhaps they were forced in to it by circumstances. rip to all the victims .
video shows flaps & slats on starboard wing are set. can' t see the port wing. 2nd video shows a steep bank to port .
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the aircraft reportedly was operating a flight from puerto carreno to bogota when it went down shortly after takeoff .
a video posted on social media website youtube purports to show the aircraft, registered hk - 4544, failing to rotate and become airborne. it crosses the runway threshold just above the ground, and plows through a perimeter fence before flying out of the frame after failing to gain altitude .
of the six crew aboard the jet, reports indicate that only one survived. the accident occurred in the late afternoon in clear conditions .
flight fleets analyzer shows that hk - 4544 bears msn 21105. it entered service in 1975 as a passenger aircraft with air jamaica, where it served until 1997, at which point it was converted to a cargo configuration .
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that would likely explain the wing dipping to the right. they most likely turned round, slowed down a bit for landing and the uneven lift caught them out as we see in the video? also, looking at the picture, is it just me, or does no. 3 have no cowling ?
one punter on avherald says the right wing collided with a small building but his video links have been removed. i couldn' t see it in any of the videos published .
right wing crash by kori on wednesday, dec 21st 2016 21: 37z hy, just see these video 0. 55sec, the right wing crash the little building: this building see the 0. 15sec this video: this cause later the right wing stall ...
i used google translator, the video is in spanish. it gives us a clue as to what happened .
well it' s not up to the airport authorities to install a weighing scale, that is the duty and responsibility of the handling agent. if the handling agent doesn' t have a weighing scale then they should know how much each item that is placed on top of pallet weighs. add all that up and add 105 kilo' s for the pallet itself and around 25 kilo' s for the net, you know exactly how much that pallet weighs. it' s not the
state
that has failed, it' s the airline and their crews that have failed by allowing the handling agent to load an airplane without knowing exactly how much freight is loaded onboard the airplane .
yor right, it' s up to the company to make sure they operate correctly and the crews should refuse to fly if they suspect the plane to be overweight. however the caa should be keeping a close eye on the operators and impose fines or suspensions when they find the operators are flying illegally overweight or other deliberate infringements, such as with lamia. i think the kid was trying to say that the operators get away with it because of bribery. the ntsb has faulted the faa many times for poor oversight, such as in the case of the hawker 125 that crashed in akron. see here
my father did not want to fly yesterday he had the presentiment that something would go wrong .
they obviously all knew something was bound to happen sooner or later. but keeping to put up with these practices is asking to get killed. the problem with south american pilots is that they don' t have the balls to stand up and refuse to fly, because some other idiot will step in and take the guy' s job .
these two aircraft had taken into account the prevailing wind at the airport, it says. meteorological data showed the wind from 010k at 8kt, which would have favoured a take - off from 07 .
it will be interesting to hear moertoe and raffles' s thoughts on this as that report doesn' t make much sense and a 4kt tailwind component is hardly a factor in the b732 / 3 / 5 which i' ve flown but not sure about the b727. there are a few strange conclusions in that report which to me almost looks like they are covering up for the ongoing wrong doings but i could be wrong. i have no experience on the b727. i think moertoe is freshly back from lubumbashi, await his opinion and raffles ...
this plane only had the
quiet wing
and hushkits installed by the looks of things, the rest of it was standard with - whatever engines, maybe - 17s. the quiet wing is for noise abatement. whatever configuration they used, (i haven' t seen a flaps 30 takeoff graph but one can do a flaps 25 takeoff), they should have been at a weight that in the event of an engine failure at v1, they would be able to climb to 35 feet above the end of the runway .
yup - moertoe. the dead giveaway is the cameras positioned on the road around the runway end. obviously this has become a newsworthy event... ... until luck ran out ...
so, i was right, no. 3 did suffer from that impact. i' ve been shot down of other fora for suggesting that .
bmused55 wrote: so, i was right, no. 3 did suffer from that impact. i' ve been shot down of other fora for suggesting that .
more likely a - net, prune or the key publishing forum or all 3 .
on the 19th of may, the crew of qantas flight qf94 were forced to shut down the airbus a380’s outboard right hand side engine and return to los angeles int’l after passengers reported a hearing loud bang and witnessed streaks of flames and sparks. none of the 480 people onboard were injured .
flight qf94 departed los angeles 22: 42 local time and was en route to melbourne when the incident occured. the aircraft was around 800nm from los angeles, climbing from fl320 to a higher cruising altitude of fl340 when the loud bang was heard from one of the a380’s four rolls - royce trent 972 engines .
on the 20th of may, an aeroméxico boeing 737 operating flight am642 from mexico city to los angeles, hit a utility truck while taxiing after landing, causing the vehicle to tip over .
eight people have reportedly been injured, but nobody is in a critical condition. none of the 146 passengers and crew onboard were injured, but a passenger said he felt slight pain after leaving the aircraft .
the government of the ascension islands have confirmed that raf wideawake (asi / fhaw), the island’s only international airport, will remain closed to heavy aircraft until 2019 / 2020 in order to carry out much needed repairs on the 3, 000m asphalt runway .
runway 13 / 31 is currently in a state of disrepair, with reported cracks and potholes among other damage that prevents regular services to the airport .
on may 17th, a jetblue embraer erj - 190 registered n306jb, performing flight b6 1806 to new york was forced to return to washington dulles after suffering a bird strike on rotation from runway 30. the crew were on initial climb when they reported they had hit something on takeoff and that there was some noise and vibrations from behind the nose wheel .
on the evening of 14th may, an egypt air airbus a330 operating flight ms955 suffered an uncontained engine failure of it’s left hand side rolls - royce trent engine, causing the crew to reject the takeoff. the failure of the engine left a large whole in the forward engine cowling. there were no injuries of the 211 people onboard .
flight ms955 was accelerating down runway 05c at cairo international airport when the crew aborted the takeoff, at 60kts ground speed. the aircraft vacated the runway around 1200m / 4000ft from the threshold and stopped for checks by the airport emergency services. after inspection, the aircraft was cleared to taxi normally to the apron, where the passengers disembarked .
on 9th april mango boeing 737 - 85f (wl) zs - sjd (msn 28829) was climbing out of cape town airport’s runway 01 when a pelican collided with the leading edge of the left hand horizontal stabilizer, leaving a large dent .
flight je348 to durban climbed to fl330 (cruising altitude of 33, 000ft) before the crew made the decision to return to cape town, 130 nautical miles away at that point. the aircraft returned to cape town around 80 minutes after departure
on 8th april, at 22: 10 local time (14: 17z), a malaysia airlines boeing 737 operating flight mh2718 was involved in a runway incursion incident when the aircraft skidded off the runway at sibu airport causing the nose gear to collapse. the incident occurred during heavy downpour .
all 61 passengers and 6 crew were safely evacuated from the aircraft’s forward right and left doors (pictured below) .
flight mh2718 landed on sibu’s runway 13 in heavy rain but went off the side of the runway and came to a stop on soft ground with the nose gear collapsed. the aircraft was at a perpendicular angle to the runway centerline with the nose towards the runway edge. in the incident, the aircraft received substantial damage .
the safety of all passengers was of utmost priority to malaysia airlines and an immediate investigation has been launched to determine the cause of the incident .
sibu airport would be closed for flight operations until 10am on sunday. passengers were advised to check with their respective airlines on the status of their flights. 3, 000 passengers were stranded at the airport due to the closure .
the aircraft involved in the incident was 2. 7 year old boeing 737 - 8h6 (wl) 9m - mxx (msn 40161), powered by two cfm56 - 7b turbofans. she was delivered to malaysia airlines (mh / mas) in august 2014 from boeing’s production site at renton, usa .
flight mh2718 is a domestic scheduled passenger flight from kuala lumpur international airport (kul / wmkk) in mainland malaysia to sibu airport (sbw / wbgs) on the island of borneo. the regular flight time is around 1 hour and 35 minutes .
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