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espoo, finland - nokia today announced that it has completed the acquisition of novarra, inc. , initially announced on march 26, 2010 .
novarra, inc. provides wireless internet solutions. it offers vision server and browser technology services. the company was founded in 1999 and is headquartered in itasca, il .
its own browser. nokia says novarra’s technology will be integrated to provide a more powerful browsing experience on nokia phones. novarra which was founded in 1999, raised
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jenny, that award is for novarra’s widget platform which is different from their transcoder .
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as of 2012, yahoo used novarra' s mobile content transcoding service for onesearch. [ 115 ]
it seems that novarra has learned from their mistakes and has positive relations with all their clients now. check out this press release just for this past july that gives novarra a prestigious award for being innovative .
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it seems that novarra has learned from their mistakes in the past and responded to any problems in an extremely timely manner. read up on novarra in the new below. the success of the company is tremendous .
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this is what transcoders like novarra are doing and the damage they are causing to the internet businesses out there. novarra / vodafone is not the one blamed for the bad service, it is the vendor at the end of the line .
via: novarra - vision / 7. 3 x - transcoder - offered: true x - transcoder - entrypoint: urltoken
the verizon transcoder can be identified by the via: header which it sends, “1. 1 novarra (vision / 7. 3) x - mobile - gateway: novarra - vision / 7. 3 (vzw; server - only) ”
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novarra' s mobile browser and services platform will be used by nokia to deliver enhanced internet experiences on nokia series 40 mobile phones .
and of course, it would be easy to patch wurfl for novarra (and in fact, novarra strings are already in there). but it screws up unique user counts, site statistics, and any number of other things a site owner gets their intelligence from .
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jose: i’m not supporting “transcoding by default” as your german / english analogy suggests, and i’m not supporting the actions of novarra / vodafone .
if a transcoder messes up designed - for - mobile experiences without explicitly being asked to by the user (as vodafone / novarra did): bad .
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given the disastrous effects that vodafone’s uk roll - out of novarra had on mobile sites and services, i’m rather apprehensive about this. in the pdf, verizon / novarra say that they won’t change the user agent header or transcode sites that have submitted an opt - out request or have a url corresponding to one of these patterns :
? nokia' s deal to acquire novarra is another step toward mass mobile internet adoption by driving innovation in all segments of our device portfolio, ? said kendra petrone, white plains, ny - based spokeswoman for nokia. ? the acquisition of novarra will enable nokia to offer an improved mobile web experience on series 40 mobile devices .
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legalalien and novarra think that * web and mobile content are cannon fodder * and, once published, content owners have no right to decide how it is presented to users .
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said bruce simpson coo at novarra. version 5. 0 is also available as part of novarra' s turnkey service offering, with certified handsets and hosted servers in global operations centers, enabling operators to launch internet and portal services within weeks, across a broad portfolio of new and deployed handsets .
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i definitely agree with you that i shouldn’t get the transcoded web * by default * (as per novarra / vodafone) – this is definitely wrong, imho. but if there’s content there that i want to access from my phone… why should i be prevented from getting it ?
? novarra has a sophisticated proxy browser that significantly improves the consumer web experience on mainstream mobile phones, ? ms. petrone said. ? we are always looking to continue to improve our nokia series 40 mobile phone experience and believe this technology will allow us to do this. ?
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yahoo developed partnerships with broadband providers such as at & t inc. (via prodigy, bellsouth & sbc), [ 108 ] [ 109 ] verizon communications, [ 110 ] [ 111 ] rogers communications, [ 112 ] [ 113 ] and british telecom, offering a range of free and premium yahoo content and services to subscribers .
secure https sites are transcoded, except for “banking sites”. i wonder how novarra identifies banks? users are warned that their security may be compromised when visiting a non - banking secure site through the transcoder. i didn’t try any secure sites so i don’t know what this warning looks like .
there you go again. no, no and no. allowing ua header replacement in limited conditions gives novarra and excuse to transcode everytime. so, no. you are not going to bring back the discussion like this. the ua header must not be spoofed. if a user installs or uses a tools that spoofs the ua, they do it with the same legal background with which they would install p2p and download content which may be infringing on someone’s copyright. in this situation, novarra is like old - style napster when they tried to win legal - support for their “service”
if this is reasonable – and it seems reasonable to me – then i’m sure we can tighten up the language of ctg to avoid the sort of abuses which you and i are concerned about (vodafone / novarra - style automated transcoding that users have to opt out of) whilst leaving this use case handled .
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whether they’re doing it via a transcoder owned by vodafone or opera doesn’t matter to me. as long as the user isn’t * forced * into having this experience, in the way that vodafone / novarra did for millions of users, i think it’s ok. so to me it all comes down to opt - in vs opt - out .
verizon and novarra claim that their transcoder partially follows the recommendations of the w3c content transformation guidelines. however those guidelines are still a work in progress and the issue of whether transcoders should alter the user - agent except in a very limited number of cases such as when a site returns no content when presented with a mobile browser user - agent is still under discussion. it would be far better for the health of the mobile web if transcoders did not alter the user - agent and other headers as recommended by the rules for responsible reformatting: a developer manifesto a document that evolved from discussions on the wmlprograming yahoo group and which has been signed and adopted by several transcoder vendors, but not by novarra .
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i know it’s not quite the same thing, but it seems there’s some equivalence here. lots of users might want to consume content in different ways in different contexts. as long as we’re not * forcing * them to consume it in an inappropriate context that goes against the wishes of the content provider (as vodafone / novarra did), i don’t think any harm is being done .
specifically on your points, if a company decides that their english content should not be translated to french without authorization, they have a right to do it. the fact that google allows users to translate it does not mean that the content owner has forfeited its rights on the content. of course, if a french isp decided to automatically translate all english websites accessed by french users, this would irritate many, which is very similar to what is happening with novarra and mobile content. but there is also another point: if we allow exceptions to copyright regulations in the name of a not - better - defined openess, what would prevent novarra and other ill - intentioned company to exploit it in extreme ways (both on mobile and big web) as we have seen with transcoding ?
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now, this is why the content owners want to keep the rights to their content. and that is why there are copyright laws. if vodafone and novarra want to be an agent in the middle they need go and negotiate a commercial agreement with the vendors that gives them the right to change their content (add advertising or whatever). that is what responsible companies do when they use someone else’s data .
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the largest us mobile carrier, verizon wireless has started funneling traffic between verizon feature phones and the web through a transcoder from novarra. verizon calls the service “ optimized view ” and has added promotional information and a faq to their customer website there is also a page on the carrier’s developer site which has links to a opt - out form and to a pdf document detailing the rules that the transcoder uses to determine which sites to transcode .
nweb platform v5. 0 is comprised of the vision (tm) server v5. 0, nweb java micro - client v5. 0 and nweb brew micro - client v4. 5. according to simon hunt, cto - clients at novarra ,
our data shows that beyond basic content rendering, it is speed, mobile usability features, ota security and full desktop parity, across popular handsets that are critical for consumer adoption .
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– the cache - control: no - transform header existed from before transcoders. w3c has hijacked it under the influence of novarra. there is one problem with this, though. adding this header will make wml applications stop working in many cases (wap 1. x gateways do need to compile wml into binary format in order for wap 1. x brower to work !). so, the w3c recommended way for content owners to protect their content is to force them to break existing apps !
i don’t have a verizon account but i did do some limited testing in a verizon store. i used a motorola v950 which runs the openwave 6 browser. i mostly tested my own sites. the transcoder seems to follow the rules in the pdf. none of my sites that use a mobile url pattern, doctype or no - transform were transcoded. a couple of test pages i created as copies of mobile pages but with none of the novarra trigger conditions where transcoded even though they were under 10kb .
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transcoders are the bane of mobile web developers. this one will probably not be as disruptive has the vodafone uk one was because novarra has learned some lessons from that debacle and is doing a better job of detecting mobile sites and also because the development community is more aware of the transcoding problem and how to work around it. there should be no impact on m. and. mobi sites and others with a recognized mobile url pattern. sites that use a mobile doctype and don’t do browser detection will also be unaffected. however, sites on. com domains that rely on the user agent or other headers to optimize for specific handsets need to either get on the white - list or start checking the “x - device” headers where the transcoder is putting the original values of the headers it’s modified as follows :
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for sites that have not opted out or do not use one of the mobile url patterns, the transcoder will change the user agent and a number of other headers to ones mimicking a desktop browser. however the site will not be transcoded if it meets any of the following conditions :
<! doctype html public “ - / / oma / / dtd xhtml mobile 1. 2 / / en” urltoken >
<! doctype html public “ - / / wapforum / / dtd xhtml mobile 1. 1 / / en” urltoken >
<! doctype html public “ - / / wapforum / / dtd xhtml mobile 1. 0 / / en” urltoken >
<! doctype html public “ - / / w3c / / dtd xhtml basic 1. 1 / / en” urltoken >
<! doctype html public “ - / / w3c / / dtd xhtml basic 1. 0 / / en” urltoken >
< link rel = ”alternate” media = “handheld” href = mymobilesite. com / >
i didn’t really test the quality of the transcoded pages but noticed that a two line navigation bar is added to the top and bottom of the page and pagination is used. i thought the transcoded version of urltoken was reasonably usable, but my test sites, which were under 10kb, were needlessly split into two pages .
according to verizon, the transcoder does offer users the ability to view the original version of any transcoded page by clicking a “turn off optimization” link in the bottom navigation footer. as a user, i consider this a very desirable feature which all transcoders should implement .
the vodafone transcoder broke many content (ring tones, game, application) download sites. i don’t see that happening with this one because verizon already blocks almost all off - portal downloads .
the problem with transcoders changing headers is that it forces millions of mobile sites around the world to change their code in order to keep the same functionality. it’s an annoyance for capable mobile web developers who somehow find out that another transcoder has been deployed somewhere in the world. the real problem is with sites that aren’t actively maintained or whose developers don’t actively follow the doings of the w3c or monitor the mobile development mailing lists, forums and blogs. which, i suspect, is the majority of sites worldwide .
> i disagree with you over who, out of you and rigo, > is more qualified to give legal counsel .
you are mistaken. all legislations assume that there are moments when lawyers and judges listen to domain experts to understand the details of certain situations and choices. even assuming that rigo’s general framework stands (which is very open to discussion, imo), the decision about whether “no - transform” is a good enough way to avoid transcoding must be based on reasoning that goes beyond the competence of a lawyer and must be handed over to “technicians”. and when it comes to technicians, while it’s true that experts may disagree, the reality is that the overwhelming majority thinks ua spoofing is abuse, and some of those technicians have already volunteered to testify against transcoders in court should this ever be needed. if you want a feel of what content owners in great majority think of ua spoofing, just read the comments from each of the signers of the original vodafone rant :
ok, that’s enough for me. i’ve discussed why i’ve not signed the manifesto with you by private email before. i disagree with you over who, out of you and rigo, is more qualified to give legal counsel .
> i told you clearly why i didn’t sign the manifesto: > because i object to its bellicose tone .
> it’s fine for you to disagree with rigo’s opinion – > but you’re not a lawyer, and therefore > not qualified to do so .
very wrong. in fact, in that particular case, i believe i am more qualified than rigo. a lawyer can say that there must be a way for websites to tell transcoders not to transcode them, but he cannot be more qualified than me in saying what those ways should be. i understand that no - transform has too much impact on existing apps and it is not reasonable to require that content owners change their applications. rigo obviously does not understand this, since he is blindly trusting what his w3c colleagues told him .
also, there is something i need to clarify here. i wouldn’t want you to misrepresent my position at a later stage. even before we discuss which ways are acceptable to tell transcoders not to transcode, my view is that the burden of recognizing mobile sites must sit squarely on transcoders. in other words, transcoders must err on the side of not transcoding, or they risk infringing on the copyright of content owners (particularly wrt mobile content). on this last part, though, i am afraid we will need to wait for the lawyers of media companies to explain to courts around the planet why rigo is wrong .
luca – i told you clearly why i didn’t sign the manifesto: because i object to its bellicose tone .
support of either ctg or manifesto is support for regulating transcoders, as is evident from the overlap in their content. that’s what both documents exist for .
it’s fine for you to disagree with rigo’s opinion – but you’re not a lawyer, and therefore not qualified to do so. when he writes a post on the technical implementation of device capabilities databases that you disagree with, i’ll be inclined to support you; )
when you come up with all kinds of arguments (rational and irrational) to defend transcoders and you continously go out of your way to find use cases that may legitimate transcoders against the interest of developers and content owners, then yes. you are serving the cause of transcoders. also, the manifesto already represents an agreement which makes transcoder vendors and content owners happy. ctg is a step back. you should be pushing to make ctg as good as the manifesto. you are pushing the other way .
> i’m not trying to defend transcoders: > i want to see them regulated .
if this was true, you would have signed the manifesto 6 months ago .
> i fail to understand how either of these sentences > equate to my saying “copyright is diminished when > you put things online” .
what you wrote and how i described it is under everyone’s scrutiny. who reads us will decide whether i misrepresented what you wrote or not .
> rigo gave his advice. copyright stands on the web [. . ], and > transcoding is legal. in the absence of any legal advice > (from a lawyer) claiming that transcoding is illegal, > i think the legal matter is settled for now .
i only said that transcoding is illegal when performed against the intentions of the content owner. i agree with rigo when he writes that content owners have every right to demand that their content is not transcoded. i strongly disagree with rigo when he claims that no - transform is a good enough way to communicate that a site should not be transcoded .
so the fact that i argue with you means that i am somehow serving the cause of transcoders? weird. to me, it just means i disagree with you. i’m not trying to defend transcoders: i want to see them regulated .
> and the only legal opinion we’ve been able to get on the > matter (from the w3c counsel) is that transcoding web content > isn’t a breach of copyright. ” .
i fail to understand how either of these sentences equate to my saying “copyright is diminished when you put things online” .
but back to the point… rigo gave his advice. copyright stands on the web (i never claimed it didn’t), and transcoding is legal. in the absence of any legal advice (from a lawyer) claiming that transcoding is illegal, i think the legal matter is settled for now .
> luca, i’ve not said that “copyright is diminished > when you put things online”, and you’ve misrepresented > my position to rigo when you claim so .
i really don’t think i did. first off, i did not tell rigo anything like “tom hume says…”. i just explained how w3c’s position seemed to be understood by some and asked whether this was accurate. secondly, here is what * you * wrote in one of your comments (november 25) :
——————————— - “i’m not in a position to propose exceptions to copyright regulations, and the only legal opinion we’ve been able to get on the matter (from the w3c counsel) is that transcoding web content isn’t a breach of copyright. ”. ——————————— -
to me this is enough to ask rigo whether he also thinks that copyright is not infringed when transcoding. thirdly, i used my time to check what rigo had said for real after you quoted him multiple times. you should be grateful for my serving the truth. your nit - picking seems to indicate the opposite .
> rigo is quite clear. he says that the existence of > no - transform gives content providers a means to > protect their content .
> he doesn’t mention the ua string: it’s you who asserts > that service different content by ua is a breach of > copyright, not rigo .
i never said rigo mentioned the ua. i just observed that his reasoning that the cache - control can be used to protect a site from transcoding can be taken a step further: if a transcoders spoofs the ua, they are effectively preventing a site from protecting its content from transcoding, since websites won’t even know that they need to send “no - transform” to protect against transcoding .
> seeing as we’ve reached the seemingly inevitable > point where you’re starting to throw abuse instead > of reasoning politely (your comment on wmlp that > “tom is on some boat of his own licking operator ass” > doesn’t seem like particularly enlightened debate to me), > i’ll leave you to calm down a little .
another blow under the belt. why are you continuously cross - pollinating this thread, which everyone (except you) has been trying to keep as professional and facts - based as possible, with elements from a different context? look, i am not running for us presidency. i am not having an affair with monica or anything like that. i just want to explain the world why transcoders are bad and what kind of dirty tricks they use to conquer legitimation where no legitimation is due. anyway, i am very calm. the hyperbole i used on wmlprogramming was meant to express how i felt about you: you never acknowledged any of your wrong judgments wrt the whole transcoder issue and you exploit each and every chance to come to the rescue of transcoders and operators. this is not the attitude of a developer who feels damaged by transcoders. this is the reaction of someone way too busy to serve the cause of those who are pushing to change the rules of the game .
luca, i’ve not said that “copyright is diminished when you put things online”, and you’ve misrepresented my position to rigo when you claim so .
rigo is quite clear. he says that the existence of no - transform gives content providers a means to protect their content. he doesn’t mention the ua string: it’s you who asserts that service different content by ua is a breach of copyright, not rigo .
seeing as we’ve reached the seemingly inevitable point where you’re starting to throw abuse instead of reasoning politely (your comment on wmlp that “tom is on some boat of his own licking operator ass” doesn’t seem like particularly enlightened debate to me), i’ll leave you to calm down a little .
tom, it is so hard to discuss and follow a logical thread with you. you keep changing subject and bringing things back to areas which have already been cleared. once more, i’ll need to bring it all back on track .
so, the discussion has lead to identify the point where transcoding can potentially harm the rights of content owners. those rights are sacred, as everyone except you seems to agree about. you had been arguing for a few days that the point of rigo wenning (w3c counsel) was that copyright was in some way diminished when content was published on the web. i checked with the sources and it turns up that it was not really the way you reported it. quite the opposite, in fact. mr wenning confirmed that copyright infringement can happen on the internet too (and if you think about it, i am not sure how you can consider this a surprise). he even went further as explicitly stating that transcoders may easily turn into offenders in this area (“transcoding proxy is producing a derivative work out of the content of the initial author and lacking rights to do so, would commit copyright infringement with all the consequences that come with it”) .
one important aspect of mr. wenning’s answer is that transcoders may be considered similar to search engines. since there is a possibility for content owners to restrict part of their content from search engines (robots. txt), content owners cannot complain if their content gets indexed or even cached by search engines. because of this, wenning concludes that transcoders are in a similar situation since a way to opt - out of transcoding exists: no - transform .
i am not 100% convinced that transcoders and search engine can be put on the same level. after all, search engines help the business model of content owners, while transcoder wants to get hold of third - party content for free. anyway, for the sake of discussion, let me buy mr. wenning assumption and concentrate on the “opt - out” part of his reasoning :
> the mobile best practices contain > a technical feature that allows content providers to > set a bit if they do not want their content to be > transformed by the transforming proxy. this puts us > into an analogy to robots. txt. a content provider > that does not want his content to be transformed > is able to reflect that very easily in this non - transform > http header .
i have a whole bunch of objections to this. here they come, in no particolar order :
– i think i lost the part where w3c has the authority to give standards about regulating copyright. using the same rule, any organization (or even any company) might declare that you need to place a header called “x - please - do - not - transcode” or whatever, and off they go abuse copyright simply because content owners have not done something which they technically could do to protect their copyright .
– robots. txt is downloaded by search engines before any other content is requested from web servers. this means that content owners do not need to change their applications to protect their content from search engines. this is very different from transcoders, which introduce themselves with already spoofed user - agent and removed uaprof header !
– rigo says that “no - transform” is a clear indication that the content owner does not want to be transcoded. this reasoning can be easily reversed though: the fact that the content owner is serving different content based on ua string is an even clearer indication that the content owner does not want to be transcoded! by spoofing the ua, a transcoder / operator has already infringed on the rights of a content owner because they have effectively prevented them from defending their copyright content !
> luca – out of interest, what phrase is rigo commenting on? > he seems to be referring to something you’d sent him > for comment, i’d like to know what that is .
> i heard your name come up a few times with regards to an > opinion that you are reported to have expressed about the > legitimation for transcoders to modify and re - purpose internet > content without the consent of the content owner. in short, your > opinion is reported as “if you publish your content on the web, you > basically forfeit your copyright and others may legitimately do > things without too much respect for copyright laws”. > > because of this second - hand report of what w3c’s legal counsel > said, discussion often reach a blind alley and no further > advancement is possible. > > would it be possible to know from you what your opinion about the > subject matter is from the source ?
luca – out of interest, what phrase is rigo commenting on? he seems to be referring to something you’d sent him for comment, i’d like to know what that is .
“a content provider that does not want his content to be transformed is able to reflect that very easily in this non - transform http header. it is therefor very important for transcoding proxies to honor this feature. ignoring this feature would mean that a transcoding proxy is producing a derivative work out of the content of the initial author and lacking rights to do so, would commit copyright infringement with all the consequences that come with it. ”
yes, proxies must respect this header: you and i both agree here .
does this mean that transcoding is illegal? no, as rigo says, because “this construct gives you an easy way out of the copyright trap by giving the content provider a means to express his wishes technically. ”
so content providers should use the no - transform header to say “i don’t want my content transformed”, and proxies must respect this. in the absence of this header, it’s therefore reasonable for proxies to transcode .
i think this is consistent with what i’ve been saying: without a clear “do not transform” indication from the provider – which must be respected by proxies – content can be transformed .
yep, (b) does contradict myself – apologies, error between seat and keyboard, as they say .
transcoding is only misuse when it’s applied wrongly imho. i can conceive of situations where it’s better to have crappy access to transcoded web content, than no access to anything at all .
the problem isn’t transcoding per se (imho), it’s, as you say, enforced encoding: the heavy - handed and inconsiderate way in which it is sometimes rolled out, riding roughshod over the work of those of us building decent mobile experiences .
the only legal advice we have available to us makes sense to me: if you put stuff on the internet and don’t use the basic mechanisms that exist to protect it (“no - transform”), you should expect it to be cached, proxied or transcoded. equally we should expect proxies to respect these protection mechanisms .
transcoding * should * be opt - in, i agree. but if you opt into it, then guess what… that ua needs to be changed to allow it to be done. and if you’re opting in, i think that’d ok. @ legalien gave us a use case for when a user might prefer to have a transcoded full - web experience over a mobile - specific experience. as long as it’s the user making this choice, and not a transcoder vendor or deployer – i reckon it’s ok .
> the only legal opinion we’ve been able to get on the > matter (from the w3c counsel) is that transcoding > web content isn’t a breach of copyright .
i have an important update in this discussion. i took contact with the w3c counsel, mr rigo wenning, and asked what views he expressed about copyright and transcoding during the w3c plenary, since some were quoting him as stating that copyright is diminished when you publish content on the web. here comes his answer :
transcoders are a bit like search engines. they take content and repurpose it. the legal questions involved in this are pretty complex. i gave a presentation on the troubles of the mobile web transcoding guidelines on w3c technical plenary. it is interesting to see what finally remains in the brains of people from that talk.
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novarra is a mobile internet software company founded in 2000 and based in itasca, illinois, usa. it creates web-based services such as web internet access, portals, videos, widgets and advertising for mobile devices. novarra provides access to the internet and other services through wireless handsets, pdas and laptops and sells directly to operators, mobile handset manufacturers and internet brand companies. nokia acquired novarra in 2010. bmw acquired novarra in 2014
novarra is a mobile internet software company founded in 2000 and based in itasca, illinois, usa. it creates web-based services such as web internet access, portals, videos, widgets and advertising for mobile devices. novarra provides access to the internet and other services through wireless handsets, pdas and laptops and sells directly to operators, mobile handset manufacturers and internet brand companies. nokia acquired novarra in 2010. bmw acquired novarra in 2014