pilar bardem
carlos encinas bardem (born 1963) is a spanish actor and son of pilar bardem and brother of mónica and javier bardem (best known for the 2007 film no country for old men) .
pilar was named after a sister who died of meningitis a couple of years before she was born .
that' s how the young bardem came to know the world of performance art, pilar says, adding that he scored his first role at age 5 when a production had a last - minute need for a child .
spanish actor, born in las palmas de gran canaria on march 1, 1969. he comes from a family dedicated to the world of interpretation, his mother is the actress pilar bardem, is also nephew of juan antonio bardem, and grandson of actors. it was the first spanish actor to be awarded an oscar .
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in a curious twist, pilar' s third child, javier, died soon after his birth, from a condition that prevented him from digesting food; she had a fourth, whom she also named javier .
well, some americans think that hispanic is race, therefore to them bardem is of hispanic race .
actually bardem and his family are from the canary islands, who look a bit different than mainland spanairds .
madrid - - when javier bardem was a toddler, his mother, pilar, dragged him by the hand to the backstage doors of spanish theaters as she searched for work. she was a young actress, trying to separate from an abusive husband at a time in spanish history when women separated from their husbands only at death. javier was 2 .
this profession, alone, gives you total space and freedom ,
pilar bardem said in an interview at her agent' s apartment in madrid, where she was seated on a thick, comfortable sofa among antiques from old spain and ceramics from morocco .
no one questions your ideology, no one criticizes your sexual orientation, married or not, you can work .
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i bet if javier bardem took a 23andme test he' d turn out more european than many americans on here. : laugh :
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carlos bardem won the 2008 spanish actors union' s
newcomer award for a male
( categoría masculina) for la zona. [ 1 ]
in person, pilar, tall and silver - haired, is warm and electric. she wears a cavalcade of silver jewelry, with one or two rings on every finger. she laughs readily and creates personable familiarity with those around her, quickly telling an interviewer, for example, to address her with the informal
tu .
in the year 2011, bardem confirmed that it will be
bad
the next film in the series of james bond, to be released in 2012 .
i bet if javier bardem took a 23andme test he' d turn out more european than many americans on here. : laugh: do you mean north americans? : cool :
their father is canarian (indeed a good cause to be so exotical) his mother, pilar bardem, was a veteran not - much succesful actress and model from a theatral family, f. e. she' s the sister of a reputed commie film director. her histerical political activism against irak war and spanish gov support, brieft in the catchphrase
no a la guerra
( not to war) revolved against herselft in the catchphrase
no a la guarra
( not to the pig female, that is, not to the dirty woman). : d
bardem' s sister, monica... i remember her more attractive, probably she' s not aging well: urltoken urltoken bardem' s brother, carlos... i greatly apppreciate his presence on spanish films, it' s a good actor, or, at least, fits very well in his roles... in fact i prefer him over his young brother. urltoken urltoken
well, some americans think that hispanic is race, therefore to them bardem is of hispanic race. there is no hispanic race because they are not mixed thoroughly enough, it' s still merely a culturo - linguistic group .
i suppose bardem is darker than the average
white american
. he also speaks spanish, so it' s easy to understand why he is not considered
white
. doesn' t matter what genetic studies say, ordinary people don' t care about that .
javier bardem' s evolution. at later stages, he (product of swarthy roles make - up and sun tanned skin) show more latino than ever but for example in the more relevant 16 y. o. pic his look is clearly europid and somewhat eastern. urltoken
shot dance steps to the orders of john malkovich and mondays in the sun (2002), third tape of filmmaker fernando león de aranoa, bardem offered a new opportunity to show off their interpretive resources. goya attained with this paper award to the best actor of the year .
yes. but from a cultural point of view, jewishness seems to be less alien to america - which is meant to be a western and predominantly christian society, right? - than southern european people and more precisely the iberians... . bearing in mind that franco and portman are considered
whiter
than bardem, and the former shows vague semitic traits in his phenotype. its a worrying thought. genetically the most european out of the 3 would be by far bardem, because the jews are only 30 - 50% european and don' t even cluster with europeans in genetic plots. : thumb001 :
the bardems are a legendary acting dynasty, sort of the barrymores of spain, although actors here are not quite treated as royalty. la bardem, as she is often called, is also a proud mom and a pistol of a woman whose well - lived life has been one of adversity, trail - blazing, politics and superstition .
i suppose bardem is darker than the average
white american
. he also speaks spanish, so it' s easy to understand why he is not considered
white
. doesn' t matter what genetic studies say, ordinary people don' t care about that. javier bardem isn' t darker than north europeans (when he' s not tanning), and his facial features are caucasian. very few americans would mistake him for not being white on appearance. one of two things happened with the article: 1) the person who wrote it is hispanic, or a
cultural marxist
, and wants to equate the spanish with hispanics 2) the person who wrote it is just dumb. .
they girl looks jewish, but jews do cluster with s euros, after all... the guy could easily be a mexican or other latin american... that' s precisely what i' d think he was if i saw him... the middle picture guy perhaps looks slightly more
white
. bardem' s sister, monica... i remember her more attractive, probably she' s not aging well: urltoken urltoken bardem' s brother, carlos... i greatly apppreciate his presence on spanish films, it' s a good actor, or, at least, fits very well in his roles... in fact i prefer him over his young brother. urltoken urltoken
spaniards are more genetically indigenous to europe than most europeans! !! they have much less neolithic affinity and haplogroups g, j, e, and t than italy and greece and less than even france has. and autosomally, very little
moorish
influence. if javier bardem isn' t white, then 90% of white americans aren' t white either .
it is freedom she values, having grown up in a spain emerging from devastating civil war and living under the repression of a fascist dictatorship. (she was born just days before generalissimo francisco franco sealed his rise to power by defeating spanish republican forces; her late brother, juan antonio bardem, one of spain' s most renowned filmmakers, was jailed for his anti - franco politics. )
they girl looks jewish, but jews do cluster with s euros, after all... the guy could easily be a mexican or other latin american... that' s precisely what i' d think he was if i saw him... at monica i basically agree with you, otoh carlos bardem is simply too tall and naturally strong to pass easily for the average latino .
but as the saying goes, behind every great man is a great woman. in this case, it just so happens to be bardem' s mother, one of spain' s most recognizable names and sought - after talents, who will be on hand for the ceremony to support her son, just as she was when he was nominated for his first oscar for his lead performance in 2000' s
before night falls .
yeah, it' s him that i said look slightly more
white
, the other one
javier
could easily pass for a mexican though. i' d guess he was mexican or latin american before i' d guess spanish. the carlos guy, looks
more
white, but he could very easily be a latin american imo, there are many in s california who look just like that. at monica i basically agree with you, otoh carlos bardem is simply too tall and naturally strong to pass easily for the average latino .
what the fuck! how stupid. however i think comparing him to franco and portman is not too smart either. they´re without a doubt white as well. yes. but from a cultural point of view, jewishness seems to be less alien to america - which is meant to be a western and predominantly christian society, right? - than southern european people and more precisely the iberians... . bearing in mind that franco and portman are considered
whiter
than bardem, and the former shows vague semitic traits in his phenotype. its a worrying thought .
the international film festival of cannes in its 2010 edition saw you raise the award statuette for best actor, shared with elio germano. on that occasion, thanked the audience and had a souvenir to penélope cruz ,
i share this joy with my friend, my companion, my love, penelope, i owe you many things and i love you
... some critics mentioned that bardem, fully 41 - year - old, only the bear of the berlinale is missing. in the 2010 oscar awards, it was nominated for her role in alejandro gonzález iñárritu' s biutiful movie .
in 2004 crossed another major role in his career: the of ramón sampedro, the galician quadriplegic who ended his life in 1998 with the help of some close people, in the film of alejandro amenábar sea in. bardem became a masterful interpretation of a man who spent thirty years bedridden in a bed claiming her right to die with dignity. the performance earned him his second copa volpi of the mostra venetian, granted in september of that same year, as well as the award for the best actor at the european film awards, held in december in barcelona, and the goya award for best actor .
urltoken the oscar nominations are in, and award watchers have pinpointed a troublesome detail: except for spanish - born javier bardem, all of the nominees are white. this would seem to be a step backwards, particularly since last year' s best actress nominees included gabourey sidibe and mo' nique for precious. what kind of society considers white to an israelian jew like natalie portman or james franco but dumps on a non white minority category an european raised in a wealthy family like bardem - who hardly could ever have experienced any kind of discrimination by the american whites -? i can understand the confusion with penelope since she is quite woggish and actually part gypsy, but this is just silly. : rolleyes2: its not only the accent that put them apart. long time ago, martin and charlie sheen had to change their original spanish names in order to be accepted as
whites
and therefore succeed in their respective careers. yes, apparently, in american popular culture - this is not the case of educated people, as a rule - you can´t have a spanish name and be considered white at the same time, despiting the genetic evidence. having a spanish first name myself, the sole idea of step on america with my pasty white skin and my brit accent and being considered a minority is just mind blowing. someone should do something - apart from blaming the damn jews. (note that this is not an american bashing thread. thanks. )
no, 30 - 50% is if you are looking at haplogroups. autosomally (ashkenazi) jews are 85% european. if you want to go by haplogroups, then 30% of spaniards are jews and moors. you can' t have it both ways. if you want to make ydna hg' s the standard, this makes iberians 30% arabic and jewish. if you want to go by autosomal data, then it makes both jews and spaniards european... so, which is it? can' t have your cake and eat it too, you have to have a single standard... genetically the most european out of the 3 would be by far bardem, because the jews are only 30 - 50% european and don' t even cluster with europeans in genetic plots. : thumb001 :
in the year 2000 became a new award for the spanish actor. it was at the venice film festival, where the jury, chaired by the director milos forman, awarded the volpi cup for best actor for his work in before night falls (rather than dark), by the american director julian schnabel. his portrayal of cuban writer reynaldo arenas also earned the award for best actor of the year awarded by the national board of review, a prestigious association of critics based in new york. in december, was nominated for golden globe, prize, regarded as the first step toward the hollywood oscar, as a candidate for best actor drama of the year, along with actors of renown as tom hanks (castaway), who finally won the award, rusell crowe (gladiator), michael douglas (wonderboys) and geoffrey rush (quills). also the national society of film critics in the united states granted its annual award for best actor for his role in the tape of schnabel. on february 13, 2001, at his home in madrid, met the news that his name would include among the five candidates for the oscar for best actor actor of the year 2000 .
this is a lottery and, sometimes, the lottery is not for millionaires, but for the workers. i consider myself a worker in this profession
, the first spanish actor who got a nomination for the film award for excellence, the hollywood oscar said. finally, bardem not collected the prized statuette, which went to the new zealand actor russell crowe for his performance in gladiator, although yes it received the spirit award for best actor of independent cinema .
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today, of course, he' s scoring some of the most coveted, or at least most interesting, roles in hollywood and european cinema, including his oscar - nominated turn as psychotic killer anton chigurh in
no country for old men .
it' s his work in the coen brothers' adaptation of cormac mccarthy' s violent, meditative novel that has earned him a raft of prizes this award season - - including critical accolades and the screen actors guild prize - - and has positioned him as a front - runner in the category at sunday night' s academy awards .
now 68, she was a feminist before anyone in macho spain knew what that was; for years, she fought for labor rights for actors, civil rights for women, a more liberal catholic church .
why can' t women be priests ?
she demands to know .
why should they only wash the clothes and make the food ?
in 2003, her demonstrations against the american - led war in iraq, which spain' s then - government supported, got her tossed out of the spectators' gallery in parliament where she and other actors had shown up in
no - to - war
t - shirts .
she is a cancer survivor two times over and raised, alone, three children (javier is the youngest) to become very successful adults .
all the while, she pursued a busy acting career: she has appeared in nearly 100 movies, including pedro almodovar' s
live flesh
with javier, and several television series. she also works on stage .
the theater is like going to a convent ,
she told the spanish daily el pais .
you enter two hours before it starts, to meditate; you have to repeat the same litany over and over; you have to get along well with your companions because, if you don' t, everything is a living hell .
speaking to the times, she added that she likes the stage especially because all is erased with each performance .
there is not a constancy ,
she said .
you return the next day and see something different, depending on the moods of the people involved and the connections you make with the audience .
in addition to her late brother, her parents were stage actors who traveled all over spain to perform. her eldest son, carlos, is an actor and writer, and her daughter, monica, was an actress who now owns a popular restaurant, where the dishes are named after the family' s movies. (croquetas
jamon jamon
is especially popular. )
what the fuck! how stupid. however i think comparing him to franco and portman is not too smart either. they´re without a doubt white as well .
well i guess ignorance will never entirely die, even as society' s opinions and labels come and go .
he should change his name in the usa to xavier bartlett. : laugh :
there is no hispanic race because they are not mixed thoroughly enough, it' s still merely a culturo - linguistic group. and even from a culturo - linguistic point of view, countries like mexico or argentina - dont get me start on the iberia peninsula - are almost completely different to each other, even opposites in certain aspects. the obvious lack of homogeneity in the so called
hispanic family
accentuates the artificiality of the term .
whoever wrote that article is wrong anyway. hailee steinfeld is part black and filipino .
ok a jew
offending
spaniards (and including themselves into the
european world
). where is the new? ! this is happening for the last 500 years since their expulsion from our huge domains. indeed they live are spiteful and an insidious race. :) by :
deb weinstein
urltoken nigger, please... urltoken white nose! .... . whoops, i mean, white pride !
urltoken white nose! .... . whoops, i mean, white pride! she looks like a quadroon .
it depends on the jew. israelians like n. portman tend to have a noticeable orientalid admixture. only ashkenazi jews could be considered mostly genetically european. not that i care. she´s very pretty, i´d marry a woman like her if it wasn´t for her beliefs, which like in most jewish people seem anti - european orientated .
no, 30 - 50% is if you are looking at haplogroups. autosomally (ashkenazi) jews are 85% european. if you want to go by haplogroups, then 30% of spaniards are jews and moors. hmmm... what? ? jews are autosomally 30 - 55% european only, i wasn' t talking about haplogroups, i was talking about autosomal actually. as for the 30% jews and moors by haplogroups, i don' t know where did you get this, but if you add j2 + j1 + e + t spaniards have less than countries like austria or france. you can' t have it both ways. if you want to make ydna hg' s the standard, this makes iberians 30% arabic and jewish. that is not true at all. first, there is no jewish haplogroups, but near - eastern. second, like i said earlier, if you add up the frequency of haplogroup j + e + t in spanairds, it is less than other europeans countries such as austria or france, to mention a just a few. see the study of the 30 - 50% european admixture in jews :
the researchers were able to estimate that between 35 and 55 percent of the modern ashkenazi genome comes from european descent .
our study represents the largest cohort of ashkenazi jews examined to date with such a high density of genetic markers, and our estimate of admixture is considerably higher than previous estimates that used the y chromosome to calculate european admixture at between five and 23 percent ,
bray says. if you want to go by autosomal data, then it makes both jews and spaniards european... autosomally, jews are only 30 - 50% european, and they don' t even cluster with other europeans, contrary to spaniards who cluster with french, see the jews at the bottom: urltoken
just compare the dodecad ancestry components of jews and spanairds, see for yourself, almost double of european: ashkenazies: - north european: 16. 8% - south european: 33% - near - eastern: 23. 7% total euro: 49. 8% spaniards: - north european: 38. 1% - south european: 47. 7% - near - eastern: 3. 0% total euro: 85. 8% source: urltoken gc & hl = en & authkey = cpgxtqqm # gid = 0
lol! !! ! i quote a published study by a renowned geneticist and you post a google spread sheet doc, and a picture of pallantide' s you saved on image shack? rofl! !! : pound: what an astute and serious
researcher
you are... .: rotfl: just compare the dodecad ancestry components of jews and spanairds, see for yourself, almost double of european: ashkenazies: - north european: 16. 8% - south european: 33% - near - eastern: 23. 7% total euro: 49. 8% spaniards: - north european: 38. 1% - south european: 47. 7% - near - eastern: 3. 0% total euro: 85. 8% source: urltoken gc & hl = en & authkey = cpgxtqqm # gid = 0
as for the evidence about spaniards; it comes from the most most cutting edge genetics labs in the world, it' s proven not even speculation. if you want the data here, just ask. here it is, france has more e + j than spain, compare pages 41 and 43: urltoken no, you presented not data regarding autosomes. that' s in reference to hgs. are you retarded? they use 1 million snp' s actually. read again :
our study represents the largest cohort of ashkenazi jews examined to date with such a high density of genetic markers, and our estimate of admixture is considerably higher than previous estimates that used the y chromosome to calculate european admixture at between five and 23 percent ,
bray says. they are exactly saying the previous study used hg' s but in this one, when using autosomal they had: :
researchers looked for close to one million single nucleotide polymorphisms (snps )
high linkage disequilibrium can come either from an isolated population (for example, an island whose residents are all descendents of shipwreck survivors) or the relatively recent mixture of separate populations. bray and his colleagues did find evidence of elevated linkage disequilibrium in the ashkenazi jewish population, but were able to show that this matches signs of interbreeding or
admixture
between middle eastern and european populations. the researchers were able to estimate that between 35 and 55 percent of the modern ashkenazi genome comes from european descent. if not, then please present the study. i have just presented some of the most credible work on this subject in the world. you have presented some picture off the internet which corresponds to no data. you lose, again. btw, just ask if you want the spanish data here. i can dig it up for you. you want studies on jews? here: urltoken urltoken urltoken urltoken urltoken
lol! !! ! i quote a published study by a renowned geneticist and you post a google spread sheet doc, and a picture of pallantide' s you saved on image shack? rofl! !! : pound: what an astute and serious
researcher
you are... .: rotfl: actually this is based in the behar et al. study, see how ashekanzies are a mix of middle - eastern and european: urltoken source: urltoken urltoken
here is another study (autosomal again), jews intermediate between europeans and middle - easterns: jews intermediate between middle eastern and european populations (kopelman et al. 2009) fairly interesting that at k = 5 a palestinian cluster emerges, and jews show mixed affiliations with this cluster and the european one. this is also consistent with the idea that different jewish populations have a levantine element in common, and have also undergone admixture with european (or more properly european - like) populations. a weakness of the study is that it does not look into gentile populations in the region between italy and palestine. the main issue in jewish origins is no longer whether they are of middle eastern or european (or european - like) origin. it seems pretty clear by now that they are both. the main issue is to determine the origin of their middle eastern and european components. this study does offer some new insight by showing the affinity between jews and palestinians at k = 5 (purple); however the origin of the european (or european - like) component remains elusive. urltoken link: urltoken
the autosomal genetic distances (table 1) do not show any particular resemblance between the jewish populations. eej are closer to italians in particular and to europeans in general than to the other jewish populations. all of the distances, apart from one, differ from zero by more than twice their standard error. a difference between two distances can be considered meaningful, if it is more than twice their largest standard error. the differences between the distance of eej from italians and their distances from the other jewish populations are meaningful according to this criterion, and the same is also true for all the non - jewish populations except for greeks and russians. in fact the distance between eej and italians is the smallest distance in the matrix. a multidimensional scaling plot of the genetic distance matrix (figure ​ (figure1) 1) captures the proximity of eej to italians and other european populations. the same is also true for the neighbor joining tree (figure ​ (figure2). 2). it should be noted that multidimensional scaling plots are a way to present graphically the intricate relationships of genetic distance matrices. as such they are necessarily less accurate than the matrices on which they are based. in order to understand the genetic affinities of a particular population, one must examine its distances in the matrix itself, not in the plot. the same also applies to the neighbor joining tree. the bootstrap values indicate the robustness of the clustering, but not the significance of individual genetic distances. urltoken
it doesn' t matter, it' s irrelevant, 30% of iberians still have jewish or moorish ancestry. it doesn' t matter what your little pdf
beginners guide
says about hgs. it' s about clades and subclades, not overall hgs. just let me know if you want the actual information, i' ll be happy to dig it up for you. lol i know what study are you talking about, and it' s based on hg' s, not autosomal. yes, you idiot, my point exactly, it says y chromosome (hg data), not autosomal data. again, you are making a complete fool of yourself, because you didn' t even know that the y chromosome is not autosomal! !: rotfl: what a retarded you are. you don' t even know how to read. it actually says the contrary :
our study represents the largest cohort of ashkenazi jews examined to date with such a high density of genetic markers, and our estimate of admixture is considerably higher than previous estimates that used the y chromosome to calculate european admixture at between five and 23 percent ,
bray says. also, 1 millions snps isn' t shit, and is not
high density
. 1 million snps was considered
high density
a few years back, that in and of itself shows the caliber of the study and the data... hmmm. . that study is actually from 2010. 1million snp' s is very high for autosomal data. some of your links don' t even work, the ones which do say things like this :
our analysis indeed revealed higher european admixture than predicted from previous y - chromosome analyses .
and chart ashkenazi jews with other southern europeans. some others are duplicates. you are manipulating, and you know it. that' s not what it says. it' s not my problem if you are a retarded and don' t know how to read. you have yet to post any autosomal data whatsoever. 1 million snp' s is actually autosomal data. all of the studies that i posted are based on autosomal data. but let me know if you want that data on 30% of spaniards having sephardic jewish and moorish admixture. i know what study are you talking about, and it' s based on y - haplogroups, not in autosomal .
bullshit, it' s not autosomal you moron... this is directly from the study you got this graphic from :
the population genetics of jewish populations has been considered primarily from the perspective of the y chromosome and mitochondrial dna
you certainly have the comprehension level of a nonwhite, because you still haven' t figured out that y chromosome and mtdna are not autosomal. i have told you this at least 30 times now. like some stupid ape you don' t understand it, despite being told over, and over, and over... here is another study (autosomal again), jews intermediate between europeans and middle - easterns: jews intermediate between middle eastern and european populations (kopelman et al. 2009) fairly interesting that at k = 5 a palestinian cluster emerges, and jews show mixed affiliations with this cluster and the european one. this is also consistent with the idea that different jewish populations have a levantine element in common, and have also undergone admixture with european (or more properly european - like) populations. a weakness of the study is that it does not look into gentile populations in the region between italy and palestine. the main issue in jewish origins is no longer whether they are of middle eastern or european (or european - like) origin. it seems pretty clear by now that they are both. the main issue is to determine the origin of their middle eastern and european components. this study does offer some new insight by showing the affinity between jews and palestinians at k = 5 (purple); however the origin of the european (or european - like) component remains elusive. urltoken link: urltoken
the autosomal genetic distance analysis presented here clearly demonstrates that the investigated jewish populations do not share a common origin. the resemblance of eej to italians and other european populations portrays them as an autochthonous european population. a study conducted in a new york college in the 1920s point to the same ashkenazi - italian similarity on basis of physical characteristics. freshmen were asked before they knew one another to indicate the origin of their fellow students. forty percent of the italians were taken to be ashkenazi jews, and the same percentage of ashkenazi jews was adjudged italians [ 24 ]. eej seem to be mainly italian (roman) in origin, which is easily understood, considering the historical evidence presented above. the high correlation between the autosomal genetic distances and geography and the reduced correlation when eej are taken to originate from the land of israel reinforce the european origin of eej. in fact the correlation of the autosomal markers with geography is higher than previously described for 49 classical markers (0. 503) or ~ 300, 000 autosomal snps (0. 661) in europe [ 25 ]. if for comparison, only non - jewish european populations are included, the correlation is lower, 0. 689, but still higher than the above mentioned correlations. it is also interesting to note how using the three geographic alternatives for eej, changes the correlation, when only european populations are included. the correlation remains almost the same, 0. 679, for rome but drops to 0. 490 and 0. 571 for warsaw and jerusalem respectively; further emphasizing the correct geographic origin of eej within europe .
bullshit, it' s not autosomal you moron... this is directly from the study you got this graphic from :
the population genetics of jewish populations has been considered primarily from the perspective of the y chromosome and mitochondrial dna
you certainly have the comprehension level of a nonwhite, because you still haven' t figured out that y chromosome and mtdna are not autosomal. i have told you this at least 30 times now. like some stupid ape you don' t understand it, despite being told over, and over, and over... hahahaha what a moron. this is from my study :
background: genetic studies have often produced conflicting results on the question of whether distant jewish populations in different geographic locations share greater genetic similarity to each other or instead, to nearby non - jewish populations. we perform a genome - wide population - genetic study of jewish populations, analyzing 678 autosomal microsatellite loci in 78 individuals from four jewish groups together with similar data on 321 individuals from 12 non - jewish middle eastern and european populations
lol i know what study are you talking about, and it' s based on hg' s, not autosomal. nope. it' s autosomal, you have no idea what i' m talking about. it clearly shows that 30% of spaniards have moorish or sephardic jewish ancestry. you don' t want me to show you do you? you are scared aren' t you? ? lol! !! what a retarded you are. you don' t even know how to read. it actually says the contrary :
our study represents the largest cohort of ashkenazi jews examined to date with such a high density of genetic markers, and our estimate of admixture is considerably higher than previous estimates that used the y chromosome to calculate european admixture at between five and 23 percent ,
bray says. hmmm. . that study is actually from 2010. 1million snp' s is very high for autosomal data. lol! ! nice english there corky... this
study
for all i know doesn' t exist, because you haven' t provided any link to it at all, and i' m sure you have a good reason for it - because the study is not on autosomal data. it says that it' s y chromosome data. ydna is not autosomal. . you have no idea what you are talking about. lol! ! 1 million snps is
alot for autosomal
?: pound: what a complete moron you are. you have no idea what you are talking about. is not
alot for autosomal
. you are just confirming (once again) what an uninformed idiot you are. the truth is there is far, far more autosomal dna than allosomal dna in the human genome. 44 chromosomes of autosomal dna, 2 of allosomal. lmao you poor, poor idiot. .: rotfl: 1 million snp' s is actually autosomal data. all of the studies that i posted are based on autosomal data. no they are not, you moron, even the studies themselves say they are not... once again :
the population genetics of jewish populations has been considered primarily from the perspective of the y chromosome and mitochondrial dna
. we' ve established what that means, right corky? ? not autosomal... i know what study are you talking about, and it' s based on y - haplogroups, not in autosomal. no you don' t. you are just scared for me to post it, it' s autosomal ...
you idiot, 678 microsatellite loci... that' s not even a significant number to test... you have no idea what you are talking about. . testing 678 loci is insignificant, and that' s jack shit compared to the fact that most all of the study is based on ydna and mtdna, which is stated in the study. you are over your head again, and have zero idea what you' re talking about, again... hahahaha what a moron. this is from my study :
background: genetic studies have often produced conflicting results on the question of whether distant jewish populations in different geographic locations share greater genetic similarity to each other or instead, to nearby non - jewish populations. we perform a genome - wide population - genetic study of jewish populations, analyzing 678 autosomal microsatellite loci in 78 individuals from four jewish groups together with similar data on 321 individuals from 12 non - jewish middle eastern and european populations
this
study
for all i know doesn' t exist, because you haven' t provided any link to it at all, and i' m sure you have a good reason for it - because the study is not on autosomal data. here is the link: urltoken not about autosomal data? how about yes: background: genetic studies have often produced conflicting results on the question of whether distant jewish populations in different geographic locations share greater genetic similarity to each other or instead, to nearby non - jewish populations. we perform a genome - wide population - genetic study of jewish populations, analyzing 678 autosomal microsatellite loci in 78 individuals from four jewish groups together with similar data on 321 individuals from 12 non - jewish middle eastern and european populations. it says that it' s y chromosome data. ydna is not autosomal. . you have no idea what you are talking about background: genetic studies have often produced conflicting results on the question of whether distant jewish populations in different geographic locations share greater genetic similarity to each other or instead, to nearby non - jewish populations. we perform a genome - wide population - genetic study of jewish populations, analyzing 678 autosomal microsatellite loci in 78 individuals from four jewish groups together with similar data on 321 individuals from 12 non - jewish middle eastern and european populations. no they are not, you moron, even the studies themselves say they are not... once again :
the population genetics of jewish populations has been considered primarily from the perspective of the y chromosome and mitochondrial dna
. we' ve established what that means, right corky? ? not autosomal... background: genetic studies have often produced conflicting results on the question of whether distant jewish populations in different geographic locations share greater genetic similarity to each other or instead, to nearby non - jewish populations. we perform a genome - wide population - genetic study of jewish populations, analyzing 678 autosomal microsatellite loci in 78 individuals from four jewish groups together with similar data on 321 individuals from 12 non - jewish middle eastern and european populations .
eej are europeans probably of roman descent who converted to judaism at times, when judaism was the first monotheistic religion that spread in the ancient world. any other theory about their origin is not supported by the genetic data. future studies will have to address their genetic affinities to various italian populations and examine the possibility of other components both european and non - european in their gene pool. the historical sources listed above show that conversion to judaism was common in ancient rome among all ranks of the roman society including the imperial families. it is thus unlikely that the original roman population did not constitute a significant portion of the proselytes. what else can explain the resemblance of eej to a general sample of italians in this study and to more local samples in the two array studies [ 53, 54 ]? in all three studies the genetic affinities of the ashkenazim are very similar to the affinities of the italians, with the ashkenazim usually being a bit more distant from the other populations, as can be expected from a population that underwent a stronger genetic drift. it is thus unlikely that the ashkenazim are a mixture of people from different places in the mediterranean basin, unless current - day italians themselves not only have absorbed foreign genetic contributions, but actually constitute such a mixture, and this seems unlikely as well. the very high correlation (0. 926) between the genetic distances of eej and geographic distances, when the latter are calculated from rome, also supports the origin of eej from italy or its vicinity and not merely from the mediterranean basin. the similarity to italians was also evident when several italian populations from different provinces were included in a comparison based on classical autosomal markers. most italian populations were closer to eej than all other populations (data not shown). my comments on the papers by atzmon et al. [ 53 ] and behar et al. [ 54 ] are in the discussion. studying autosomal haplotypes will indeed contribute to revealing the ancestries of populations, but in order to gain meaningful insights one ought to study at least several loci and ensure that sample sizes are adequate, this may entail more effort than studying single snps, and i am not sure that the affinities between the populations are going to be depicted more accurately. i changed the phrasing in methods to make it clearer that the formula of reynolds et al. was only used for the calculation of the tree. urltoken
maybe the person who wrote it is mestizo and wants to be spanish but knows they aren' t, so they decided to drag iberians into the non - white group to make themselves feel better .
here' s the carlos guy. i promise you, he looks identical to many mexicans: urltoken urltoken urltoken
they' re canarian. the canary islands has significant guanche ancestry, and guanches were related to moroccan berbers .
always be careful not to throw fellow countrymen under the bus in order to appease (mostly foreign) critics, there are
odd
or atypical looking people everywhere, especially when considering those with strong cm elements .
here' s the carlos guy. i promise you, he looks identical to many mexicans: hahahaha is true! !! this canarian man reminds me the features of your face, especially when you do not dye your hair. urltoken totally agree: )
hmm, apparently not :
the islands were conquered by mostly andalusians and some castilians at the beginnings of the 15th century. in 1402, they began to subdue the native guanche population and the guanches were initially enslaved and gradually absorbed by the spanish colonizers. after subsequent settlement by spaniards and other european peoples, mainly portuguese, the remaining guanches were gradually diluted by the settlers and their culture largely vanished .
they' re canarian. the canary islands has significant guanche ancestry, and guanches were related to moroccan berbers .
seriously? my hair is many shades lighter than that, and my eyes are blue, i' m also about 25 years younger, have a far more narrow nose, and far more prominent brow. i also have lighter skin, different shaped eyes, and a cleft chin. this man is your kinsfolk mr hispanic, not mine: d hahahaha is true! !! this canarian man reminds me the features of your face, especially when you do not dye your hair. urltoken totally agree: )
maybe the person who wrote it is mestizo and wants to be spanish but knows they aren' t, so they decided to drag iberians into the non - white group to make themselves feel better. correct. after that reason are many of the attackers to spaniards in the internet (most of them from americas, mestizos or sudacas as we call them). we have in this same thread an example of these hordes. there is another group, also, not amerindian mestizos but jewish. i gave the specific reason in this particular case in my previous post .
hmm, apparently not :
the islands were conquered by mostly andalusians and some castilians at the beginnings of the 15th century. in 1402, they began to subdue the native guanche population and the guanches were initially enslaved and gradually absorbed by the spanish colonizers. after subsequent settlement by spaniards and other european peoples, mainly portuguese, the remaining guanches were gradually diluted by the settlers and their culture largely vanished .
do you know what' absorbed' means ?
yes, it means they are spaniards... still scared for me to post that study? or do you want to see it yet? ?: d do you know what' absorbed' means ?
there is another group, also, not amerindian mestizos but jewish. . i agree, spaniards seem to be a fairly mixed group indeed... . i can' t think of another group which became so mixed from traveling to other parts of the world, and other parts of the world traveling to it... i guess that' s what makes spaniards the
true lords of the earth
... that is what you said, right don? ?
has any neutral party been persuaded by either side of this argument? at spanish issues, neutrality is not allowed, moreover, it could be taken for a coward form of treason by both sides. : d
why did the retard savang change his avatar? he looked so badass and scary with the old one. i almost shit on my pants. a true internet warrior with his lol! ! lol! !. if this is the aryan race i want to be australoid vaya tipo más anormal, este se debio comer unas buenas ostias en el cole
i agree, spaniards seem to be a fairly mixed group indeed... . i can' t think of another group which became so mixed from traveling to other parts of the world, and other parts of the world traveling to it... i guess that' s what makes spaniards the
true lords of the earth
... that is what you said, right don? ? porque no te vas a tomar por el culo de una vez subnormal? : confused :
doesn' t look like it... just looks like a few hispanics doing what they do best, whining and talking shit... there is an actual argument urltoken going on in this thread? : cool :
eej are europeans probably of roman descent who converted to judaism at times, trotsky, chagal, einstein and so on were long lost centurions. aye. makes sense, that. urltoken ave caesar! !! ! the historical sources listed above show that conversion to judaism was common in ancient rome among all ranks of the roman society including the imperial families. an intelligent person would have written' not absolutely unknown'. sounds like the posing of weirdos like tony blair' s sister in law and cat stephens, converting to islam today. or like various crazies on this very forum who change religion every week or so. i seriously doubt that you can get an entire ethnic group with such a beginning of individualist religious window - shoppers, never mind one with such strict endogamy and integrity as the jews. it is thus unlikely that the ashkenazim are a mixture of people from different places in the mediterranean basin, unless current - day italians themselves not only have absorbed foreign genetic contributions, but actually constitute such a mixture, and this seems unlikely as well. it is blatantly obvious that sicilians do constitute a graeco - phoenician - italo - siculian mix. and it is as well known that the canaanites share a pelasgian element with much of the mediterranean littoral. these two facts alone explain the similarities which you exaggerate here. most italian populations were closer to eej than all other populations (data not shown). : d they girl looks jewish, but jews do cluster with s euros, after all... wasp genetics bigshot, they let you in universities typing like that? ! urltoken he has my hair. must have been one of my great great... great r1b uncles that had a bit of fun with his guanche great... granny. : suomut: : p
maría del pilar bardem muñoz ( born 14 march 1939 ) better known as pilar bardem is a spanish film and television actress . she is the mother of academy award-winner javier bardem . born to performers rafael bardem and matilde muñoz sampedro in seville , bardem began her screen career in 1965 . she was a regular in the television series compuesta y sin novio ( 1994 ) , hermanas ( 1998 ) , el inquilino ( 2004 ) , and amar en tiempos revueltos ( 2005 – 2007 ) . bardem is the recipient of the goya award for best supporting actress , the premios ace for best supporting actress , the valladolid international film festival award for best actress , and two spanish actors union awards for her performances . 
maría del pilar bardem muñoz (born 14 march 1939) better known as pilar bardem is a spanish film and television actress. she is the mother of academy award-winner javier bardem. born to performers rafael bardem and matilde muñoz sampedro in seville, bardem began her screen career in 1965. she was a regular in the television series compuesta y sin novio (1994), hermanas (1998), el inquilino (2004), and amar en tiempos revueltos (2005 – 2007). bardem is the recipient of the goya award for best supporting actress, the premios ace for best supporting actress, the valladolid international film festival award for best actress, and two spanish actors union awards for her performances.
maría del pilar bardem muñoz (born 14 march 1939) better known as pilar bardem is a spanish film and television actress. she is the mother of academy award-winner javier bardem. born to performers rafael bardem and matilde muñoz sampedro in seville, bardem began her screen career in 1965. she was a regular in the television series compuesta y sin novio (1994), hermanas (1998), el inquilino (2004), and amar en tiempos revueltos (2005 – 2007). bardem is the recipient of the goya award for best supporting actress, the premios ace for best supporting actress, the valladolid international film festival award for best actress, and two spanish actors union awards for her performances.